Veterans Affairs Bans Mention of God at Funerals for Vets

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HOUSTON, June 28, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Today, Liberty Institute, on behalf of the Veterans of Foreign Wars District 4, The American Legion Post 586, and the National Memorial Ladies, returned to federal court with new allegations of religious hostility and unlawful censorship by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and its director of the Houston National Cemetery. Last month, Liberty Institute successfully represented Houston pastor Scott Rainey in the same federal court after Houston VA officials tried to prevent him from praying in Jesus’ name at a Memorial Day ceremony.

“The hostile and discriminatory actions by the Veterans Affairs officials in Houston are outrageous, unconstitutional and must stop,” said Jeff Mateer, Esq., general counsel of Liberty Institute. “Government officials who engage in religious discrimination against citizens are breaking the law. Sadly, this seems to be a pattern of behavior at the Houston VA National Cemetery.”

Today, Liberty Institute amended its original lawsuit that states the Department of Veterans Affairs and its Director of the Houston National Cemetery, Arleen Ocasio, are engaging in religious viewpoint discrimination in violation of the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, by adding new incidents of religious hostility including:

VA Forbids Mention of God at Funerals for Veterans and Requires Families to Submit Prayer for Approval to the Government: For 30 years, the VFW District 4 burial team, at the request of the family of the deceased, has honored veterans by performing the VFW burial ritual during private burial services at the Houston National Cemetery. For 20 years, The American Legion Post 586 has honored our veterans by performing its burial ritual for fallen veterans. On at least four separate occasions, government officials told the burial teams that prayer and religious speech could no longer be included in the burial ritual unless the family submits a specific prayer or message in writing to Director Ocasio for her approval. Government official Jose Henriquez also told the VFW Honor Guard Commander, Junior Vice Commander and Chaplain that the word “God” is forbidden.

VA instructs the VFW and a Private Funeral Home that they may not present the option of prayer to families: American Heritage Funeral Home, which sits next to the Houston National Cemetery and specializes in veterans’ funerals, was instructed by government officials that the funeral home may not inform the families that they have the option of requesting prayer in the VFW burial ritual.

VA Tells Volunteers to Remove “God Bless” from Condolence Cards to Grieving Families: About a year ago, Director Ocasio instructed the president of the National Memorial Ladies that the words “God” and “Jesus” are forbidden and that “God Bless” could no longer be written in condolence cards to families. Volunteers also were banned from speaking a religious message when talking directly to veterans’ families on cemetery grounds.

VA Closes Cemetery Chapel; Uses it for Storage: The chapel where families used to gather, pray and reflect has been closed and is now called a “meeting facility” and used for storage. The chapel cross and Bible have been removed and the bells that once used to chime are no longer used.

“On March 15, Director Ocasio told me that I couldn’t say ‘May God grant you grace, mercy and peace’ to grieving families,” said Nobleton Jones, Honor Guard Junior Vice Commander. “Today we ask the government to make it right.”

“All we wanted was to give honor to fallen soldiers,” said Inge Conley, incoming VFW District 4 Commander.

Today’s hearing took place before Federal District Judge Lynn N. Hughes who had granted the original temporary restraining order preventing the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs from censoring Pastor Rainey’s prayer in May. Judge Hughes gave the government until July 15 to respond to the new allegations and set a status hearing for July 21.

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52 Responses to “Veterans Affairs Bans Mention of God at Funerals for Vets”

  1. Rich39 June 29, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    Atheists in foxholes? Some of America’s greatest war hero’s were a Atheists. God don’t save you. Your fellow soldier/Marine etc. saves you. Plus your weapon and your brain.
    Remember their are over 14 differ religions in our military today. Not all believe in God.

  2. Recon June 29, 2011 at 5:28 pm #

    “Remember their are over 14 differ religions in our military today. Not all believe in God”

    So what? Is that supposed to excuse the intolerance & consistent persecution of everyone who does? “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” The 2nd was put in place so that diverse faith could *flourish w/out governmental intrusion*, not be squelched by bureacracies, atheists & non-Christians – most of which couldn’t find their a$$ with both hands when it comes to identifying Christianity in the Founders or the intent of the 2nd.

  3. 0402sgrl June 29, 2011 at 6:44 pm #

    Yes, dear Rich39, and if your family requests they not use that language, they certainly won’t. The vast majority, however, DO want that language. The only option here should be exactly what the family requests, the VA has no business regulating funeral language.

  4. Sue Lani Madsen June 30, 2011 at 1:44 am #

    Asking a family about their faith and traditions, and incorporating appropriate rituals into the service is a basic duty for any one in the funeral home industry anywhere, for anyone. Doesn’t matter if the family wants to acknowledge God, Allah, Vishnu, Buddha, Ayn Rand, the Seattle Seahawks or Mickey Mouse.

  5. lourena.barton June 30, 2011 at 5:38 am #

    Dear sirs is if thay whant to use the word God in the funeral service in shuold be alone thay used the word God when thaty baried mty father l ilove God I donot know about you .

  6. VA COP June 30, 2011 at 9:40 am #

    Atheists in Fox Holes…? We’re talking about a families belief in something higher. A simple prayer at a Honored Veterans Burial. And the VA and the Cemetery’s director is taking that little bit of comfort away from the families. There may be soldiers who are Aethist, but lately I haven’t meant to many. However, I do see an Aethist at the Houston Cemetery and at the Houston VA. One Nation Under God…In God We Trust..phrases that our nation was founded on and the Government is slowly trying to take away. Thank you to all of our vets who have given their all and sacrificed so much.

  7. Angela77 June 30, 2011 at 11:49 am #

    These soldiers died for our freedom, including freedom of speech, and now that they are gone THEIR freedom of speech is being taken away!

    GOD BLESS US ALL! And may He protect us from such as these!

  8. Jarhead June 30, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    What township in the old Soviet Union is this Director CLOWN working at the Houston VA cemetary from?

  9. Iritatevet June 30, 2011 at 4:05 pm #

    No government entity has the right (under our constitution) to dictate what words are to be used in a “private ceremony”. What are they going to do next remove all the crosses from the national cemeteries?

  10. saphyreslady June 30, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    The State of Texas should intervene and be suitably embarrassed for this huge faux paux that has been done. I had always thought that Texas as a God-fearing state and they held their religious beliefs before anything else. Apparently this is not the case with the Houston VA. Shame on them.

  11. John Emmert June 30, 2011 at 6:51 pm #

    The laws being made inthis country are FUBAR.

  12. j July 1, 2011 at 4:55 am #

    Keep the grass mowed, the graves clean, and your mouth shut. Apparently that is asking too much of these eager beaver bureaucrats. Sure glad that degree in Chicano Anti-imperialistic Basketweaving is being put to good use though. I’m pretty sure we taxpayers put good ol Arlene through school.

  13. Breglad July 1, 2011 at 1:30 pm #

    Let me see if I’ve got this right. The WBC, Neo-Nazis and extremists of every hue can say whatever they please IN THE PUBLIC VENUE – hard-core porn in film and print goes on unchallenged IN THE PUBLIC VENUE – all manner of profanity (even the “F” word) is allowed on the airwaves IN THE PUBLIC VENUE … all protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution, right? HOWEVER, should the family of a fallen Soldier choose to have God, Jesus or some Religious entity mentioned in a PRIVATE ceremony – THAT is NOT protected by the First Amendment?
    The “argument” is made that these religious comments MIGHT “offend” somebody so – just in case – they MUST be eliminated even at the cost of ignoring the Constitution!
    I am not a “Christian” but I am offended by this assault on our freedoms as, I am sure, are the millions of others who have had their personal Rights violated thus.
    As a aside; by these, very, restrictions, the WBC must, also, be forbidden access to any similar events since Christian references are part and parcel of their rhetoric!

  14. RetE6Tucson July 1, 2011 at 10:24 pm #

     “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”  I don’t see where the confusion is, but let me say this… It’s “God Bless America”, “In God We Trust” and “One Nation Under God”.  Come see me if you have a problem with that.

  15. Joyce July 4, 2011 at 7:45 am #

    Once again this insane “political correctness” garbage is making the MAJORITY have to change in order to accommodate the rights of the MINORITY. Totally unbelievable. My 91 yr. old uncle had God with him while fighting in Europe during WWII — and I am sure he wants him with him as he is “put to rest”. This is a “given” and it is ridiculous to leave out the Christian references if survivors do not think to specifically ASK for them to be included in the service. Since the MAJORITY of the people are indeed Christians — let the MINORITY be the ones to have to ask for exclusion — or — is this not already automatically considered when the forms are filled out and the people list their religion????

    I read somewhere recently where Denmark (?) is in the process of doing away with “political correctness” — GOOD FOR THEM! Maybe we will soon follow.

  16. Raymond Paul July 4, 2011 at 5:31 pm #

    We need to regulate the Government they just can’t seem to get it right. It’s not there job to say you can’t use GOD or JESUS. It is there job just to see that the hero gets buried with honors. It should be up to the Family as to what they want. No one else period.

  17. Hoov July 4, 2011 at 9:40 pm #

    No one, other than the deceased’s family, has any business telling any Veteran what they can say or not say. All Veterans and Active Duty military have purchased the right to say what they want with their lives. I don’t care if Obama himself says they can’t, he can kiss my lily white @##. I will stand before God, Buddha, Vishnu, and any other deity to defend the right of any of my Brothers and Sisters to offer comfort in any manner they find appropriate, and if that deity does not approve, then they are not worth the space they take up.

  18. tjfurlow July 10, 2011 at 9:32 am #

    “I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

    After I made that oath to God you can’t tell my family they can’t talk about or reference God at my funeral! I pity Mr. Ocasio if he tries to tell my wife different.

    I don’t see how this has been allowed to happen. Why has it taken so long for the veteran community so rise up to fight this? There’s no way its legal for the government to tell anyone what they can or can’t say in a private funeral ceremony. Now that everyone knows about this injustice, we have to combat it.

    “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. ” Thomas Jefferson

  19. Ruth July 11, 2011 at 7:12 pm #

    I’m going to run right over to the VA cemetary and get down on my knees in frot of my parents’ grave and pray.

  20. LucidMoment July 14, 2011 at 7:20 pm #

    No one has the authority to tell me what I may say over the body of my son/daughter. And they better be prepared to die if they try to interfere.

  21. Seattle Kid July 14, 2011 at 9:47 pm #

    What is the relationshkp between the VFW and the Department of Veteran Affairs. I believe only the latter is a government agency. Since when can they dictate to the VFW what to do or not to do?

  22. Dano803 July 15, 2011 at 8:13 am #

    As a veteran, this sickens me. At my funeral not only will God be mentioned but HIS name will be praised and an invitation to know Christ as your savior will be also be done. Even in my death I will not be silenced. We should protest this!!!!!!

  23. Bm7b5 July 25, 2011 at 8:59 pm #

    All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    I am thankful that they ate fighting this in court, pray that they will prevail, and pray that Mr/Ms Olivio (sp ?) have a face to face encounter with Jesus Christ, and also that he/she be blessed with a new job opportunity more in line with his/her limited abilities. And if that includes a huge cut in pay and responsibilities, well, some lessons in life cost more than others. 😉

  24. Robert P. Doyle SR- U.S. Army RVN August 1, 2011 at 1:56 pm #

    This tale is one totally fabricated by a shameless Texas Republicant Congressman. ‘Nuff said

  25. PositiveKi August 4, 2011 at 8:35 pm #

    Oh, for goodness sakes. If there’s anything that I’ve learned in my present job, there’s often more than one side to a story.

    I, myself, have counseled Chaplains NOT to use “In Jesus’s name” because we have Jews, Muslims and those of other faiths. No one, however, would object to “In God’s Name.”

    I don’t know the whole story, but don’t be surprised if it’s a case of a CERTAIN FAMILY that didn’t want “In Jesus’ or God’s name.” Perhaps some VFW ritual — I’ve seen one which is quite Jesus-centric — was offensive or went against the standard of “forcing religion” down the throat of some grieving family.

    So, before we get all hot and bothered, and let the news media — RIGHT OR LEFT — churn up excitement to get viewers like you, let’s let the investigation complete itself before we make hasty judgments (and yes, my “understanding” of what happened could well be wrong too!)

  26. Robert P. Doyle SR- U.S. Army RVN August 5, 2011 at 11:58 am #

    No respect by Congress for nor against a religion also means no disrespect . Substitute the meaning in regard to the written word respect, modernization would include regard as a word meaning the same thing.
    What does the U.S. Congressman for Houston District say his opinion is on this U.S. Constitutional LAW roblem ?

  27. Sylvia Mirelez August 5, 2011 at 9:09 pm #

    JOHN 3:16
    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life..
    As the wife of a 27 year Army Veterans, this just makes me “SICK”! What is wrong with our country? I can not believe that the mention of “GOD’S” name at a Military funeral is being taken away from us. That should be each individuals choice, not anyone person! My husband & I are Christian folks, and my husband served proudly, and I stood by him proudly for 27 years. Let us decide if the mention of “GOD’S” name offends us. What next!

  28. JCSVIHEL August 29, 2011 at 4:03 pm #

    Our founders must be rolling over in their graves. At one time we were “One Nation Under God” and in “God we Trust”. Lets see we had 911
    descend upon us, earthquakes on both the West Coast and East Coast, another monster storm.
    You don’t believe in God? We were told that there would be a falling away. Its happening right now and the more we remove God’s wonderful name from our events and our speech, the more we deny Jesus Christ, God the Creator the more we invite unfovorable things to happen. So now we must worry that we offend the Muslins? and anyone else
    that can’t use the Name of the most high? Watch the headlines guys……James

  29. dsenters September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm #

    when i served in the Marine Corps we were told God, Country, and Corps where the things we had to serve. Times changed, I didn’t. You can not tell me not to talk about God, and if you try you might see why the Marines have a reputation for being good at hand to hand combat. If we don’t stand for what we believe then we have to put up with whatever they tell us. Be the loud majority.

  30. nlandau September 4, 2011 at 9:57 pm #

    I think this article leaves out an important fact: the VA’s policy allows the veteran (or his family) to choose the religion of the service (or choose a non-religious service). The VA is stopping third parties from performing Christian prayers and distributing Christian literature at the funerals of veterans who have asked for some type of non-Christian service. The article above doesn’t provide the point-of-view of the other side. Here are some statements from organizations of military atheists.

  31. Chaplain Dyer September 6, 2011 at 5:55 pm #

    Jesus was asked “what is the most important commandment?” “Jesus said the most important commandment is”
    “to love God with our whole heart, mind and soul.”
    The speaking or asking blessings with God and or His Son, Jesus Christ, must be said as a expression of our love. A Christian commandment is a standard that cannot be taken away. This freedom along with “freedom of speech” comes from God not humans. For me, the orderly verbal expression of Christian love @ a funeral or special needs can be found in Philippians 4:4-9.
    God bless.

  32. koreavet68-69 October 3, 2011 at 2:13 am #

    Wow, I would NEVER, EVER allow the VA or anyone else to dictate what can and can’t be said at my funeral. That’s MY funeral, and I earned it! So I sure hope that we get good news here soon saying the judge told the VA to back the —- off!

  33. eagle275 October 21, 2011 at 11:39 pm #

    Does everyone know the definition of “Politically Correct” (PC) – Trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.

  34. bbarronjr October 30, 2011 at 5:26 pm #

    Why Not, Homosexuals, sodimites, are allowe in the militery.
    it was only a mater of time before The Lord, The Creator was taken out, Thanks obama
    What kind of world are we creating for our children?
    Take GOD out, and evil will abound,
    SICK SICK world

  35. S October 30, 2011 at 11:37 pm #

    It’s not just Obama. This has been coming down the pike for a long time, and is a necessary implement as we move faster toward communism. Sounds extreme? All the signs are there. There has been a slow and deliberate march through our cultural institutions for 60 years now, and its starting to accelerate. Mark my words.

  36. Dewitt November 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm #

    I’m a Vet. I’ve lost a lot of friends and family the only thing that HOLDS ME TOGETHER is GOD and my FAITH Know I’m a Chaplin and I work for the Greater Good–(GOD Bless America).

  37. robert January 7, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    The Marines moto Semper Fi means, Always faithful To God Country and Core!

  38. gmorra January 22, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    The point here is simple. If I want to Request Which is the key word. That my family member doesn’t want God mentioned. That’s his/her freedom to do so without question. You people in the comments need to relax.

  39. Michael July 8, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    The phrase “separation of church (or God) and state” does NOT appear in the constitution. Besides, when does offending a few athiest trump offending millions of believers? “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” VOTE THEM OUT!!!

  40. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    ) “As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion, – as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen (Muslims), – and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.” –Treaty of Tripoli
    –initiated under President George Washington, 1796
    –signed into law by President John Adams, 1797
    –ratified unanimously by the Senate, 1797
    –Published in full in all 13 states, with no record of complaint or dissent.

  41. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship… I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” –Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT

  42. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    “I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises.”–Thomas Jefferson, letter to Samuel Miller, 1808 [note that this does not say Christian religion; it refers to all religions, equally]
    6) “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.” –Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
    7) “Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.” –James Madison, letter to William Bradford, April 1, 1774

  43. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    “Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?” –James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of VA, 1795

  44. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    this country was not founded with God on currency or our pledge: “In God we trust” was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782.
    In God we trust has appeared sporadically on U.S. coins since 1864 and on paper currency since 1957.

  45. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    Under God wasn’t added to the Pledge until 1954 (my dad was 10 years old):
    Official versions (changes in bold italics)
    “I pledge of allegiance of to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
    1892 to 1923
    “I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
    1923 to 1924
    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States and to the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
    1924 to 1954
    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”
    1954 to Present
    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

  46. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:23 pm #
    For some Christians, funerals are a means for them to evangelize and proselytize. Volunteers at a VA cemetery in Texas are suing the government, claiming their constitutional right to insert their religion into others’ funeral ceremonies was infringed upon. Do they really have such a right?
    The plaintiffs, who volunteer to help out during funeral ceremonies at the Houston, Texas, VA cemetery, argue that it’s wrong for their Christian beliefs to be removed from other people’s funerals. They contend that they have a constitutional right to inject their own religion into other people’s funeral ceremonies even if the family has never expressed any interest in Christianity being a part of the ceremony.

    Supporters of the current policy point out that no family is prevented from having Christian prayers or language at their own funeral ceremonies if they want. Claims to the contrary are flat-out lies.

    The current policy is that the wishes of the deceased and their family are to be respected in all cases and this is how it should be. Since government must be secular, it’s appropriate that a default government ceremony be secular and that religion only be introduced when those involved specifically want it.

    The VA has says in their official statement: “The idea that invoking the name of God or Jesus is banned at VA national cemeteries is blatantly false. The truth is VA’s policy protects veterans’ families’ rights to pray however they choose at our national cemeteries. Put simply, VA policy puts the wishes of the veteran’s family above all else on the day it matters most — the day they pay their final respects to their loved one.”

    Jason Torpy, president of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF), says that “the true victims in this situation are the families who have lost loved ones, not the volunteers who want a government platform for their religious beliefs.”

    Kathleen Johnson, former military director and now vice president of American Atheists, says: “These Texas congressmen are sort of leading this charge in the publicity effort to frame this as a religious discrimination issue in which Christians are being discriminated against,” Johnson commented, “when it’s actually a religious discrimination issue in which everybody else is being discriminated against.”

    Conclusion: No Right to Insert Your Religion Into Others’ Funerals

  47. trenee November 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm #

    this country was NOT founded as a christian nation. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics (C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.
    A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson (who created the so-called “Jefferson Bible”) and Benjamin Franklin. A few others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.
    Our founding fathers left England to escape religious persecution and dominance. The fathers were a variety of religions and denominations, to include different christian beliefs. So,if they were going to create a christian nation, who’s version (denomination) of christianity would they have chosen? Forget the puritans settlers-what they believe doesn’t count?
    To end this-I am a retired veteran with over 20 years and an army wife whose soldier has over 22 years, and we will not have Christian anything at our funerals. It is not reasonable for any Christian to think that they have the right to insert their personal beliefs on us or our families. We don’t interfere with Christian services-we respect our Christian friends and family, and Christians should not interfere with services of other religions or secular services. Respect the beliefs of the deceased service members and their families.
    My husband and I served to preserve that 1st Amendment right FOR EVERYONE OF ALL BELIEF SYSTEMS AND ALL OBSERVANCES-not just so Christians can force their beliefs on everyone else. This country was founded as a melting pot of many diverse cultures and beliefs, and our great military also reflects that diversity. Each service member and their family has the right to be respected for their beliefs.

  48. Larry Taylor February 2, 2013 at 9:01 am #

    I was a grunt in 1967 and 1968, and I am a grunt today. I saw heavy combat action, and was wounded in action. No matter how skilled, or good I may be, there is always someone better. Action was so bad, the only way I made it through combat was the hand of God. Thanks be to God then, and Praise God now. Rich 39 don’t know what he is talking about.

  49. Byron E White October 16, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

    have treud seceral times to get inot this site, but keep gwetting rejected !!!!!!!!

  50. ldean March 1, 2014 at 10:39 pm #

    Actually, this article is not true and can be found on snopes and factcheck. The VA contradicts it on their web site. The lawsuit was between a specific family and the specific funeral director and had nothing to do with “religion.” The suit was dismissed.


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